The Small Business Sessions, Enterprise Nation's podcast powered by Xero, is back for another episode. Series four, hosted by Enterprise Nation head of content Dan Martin, features a brilliant line-up of entrepreneurs and experts sharing insights and inspiration on how to start and grow a brilliant business. You might recognise this week's guests from TV. ​In 2017 Ed Hollands won £30,000 investment on Dragons' Den from entrepreneur Jenny Campbell. Ed's business is DrivenMedia which allows brands to advertise on the back of trucks. Before the Den, Jenny Campbell spent 32 years in banking after joining Natwest aged 16. She went on to buy YourCash, an independent cash machine provider, from RBS which she ran for 10 years before selling it in 2016. It's rare to hear an investor and their investee together so this is a fascinating chat. Tune in for to hear issues covered including what it's really like to pitch on Dragons' Den, how Jenny Campbell decides to invest in a business, how to value your business, the state of entrepreneurship in the UK and Jenny's thoughts on why young people should get a job before starting a business.