In this conversation with Kadi Cole, a strong voice for church, ministry and corporate leadership, Cathie explores the circuitous path and challenging circumstances female leaders navigate in their journey to find and use their voice. Kadi reminds listeners that all leaders carry something of value -  a God-given gift, an authority, a strength that, if called out could help an organization, a ministry or a church flourish. Kadi Cole’s insight will open both male and female eyes to the reality many females experience – the resistance that comes into play when they seek to grow their leadership influence, and the reality that in 2022 the leadership table is not equitable. Kadi Cole is a voice – an assertive voice which, if you read her work, is often the best choice over a passive or aggressive voice - that is declaring that although there are minefields in navigating how to best steward the leadership gifts of women in the church – there are also very practical ways to invite those gifts – and - unleash those gifts – with work and time. Your voice matters.