In this episode we meet with Robert van Hennik to discuss his professional doctorate titled: Practice Based Evidence Based Practice: Navigating Complexity in Feedback-informed Systemic Therapy.  Robert brings his ideas alive by talking us through his approach in a practical way. He eloquently shares how the theory is woven into practice through collaborative work with the systems, families, institutions, networks. Robert guides us through case examples and his own journey with this fantastic way of working. Robert van Hennik works as a systemic and narrative therapist, supervisor, consultant and teacher in Euthopia, centre for systemic therapy and training in the Netherlands. He is one of the founders of the NDC2 (Dutch and Belgian Narrative Dialogical and Collaborative Collective). He studied at the University of Bedfordshire (UK) and is Professional Doctor in Systemic Practices. Recently he has promoted and guided practice based research within collaborative learning communities. References: Van Hennik, R. (2018). Practice based evidence based practice: navigating complexity in feedback-informed systemic therapy. van Hennik, R. (2021). Practice based evidence based practice, part II: Navigating complexity and validity from within. Journal of Family Therapy, 43(1), 27-45. Van Hennik, R., & Hillewaere, B. (2017). Practice Based Evidence Based Practice. Navigating based on coordinated improvisation, collaborative learning and multi‐methods research in Feedback Informed Systemic Therapy. Journal of Family Therapy, 39(3), 288-309.