In this episode, we delve into the intersection of massage therapy, grief, caretaking, and end-of-life. We touch on global palliative care practices, the role of touch in support for those experiencing grief, navigating sensitive conversations, and creating safe spaces for clients. Our guest, Ronna Moore, a massage therapist with over 40 years of experience, specializes in oncology and palliative care, and is pursuing a doctorate in public health focusing on the role of massage therapy in palliative care. Join us to gain insights into shifting therapeutic mindsets and exploring practical resources to support those experiencing loss. Key Topics 01:19 Guest Introduction and Personal Connection 02:08 Exploring Grief and Loss in Massage Therapy 03:43 Understanding Palliative Care 05:22 Palliative Care Practices in Different Countries 23:16 The Role of Touch in Therapy 35:18 Role-Playing Therapeutic Conversations 36:46 Navigating Grief in Therapy 37:48 The Importance of Sensitivity 38:10 Avoiding Unhelpful Phrases 39:12 The Paradox of Comfort 40:15 Shifting the Therapist Mindset 47:05 Creating a Safe Space 50:01 Understanding Grief Models 54:46 Resources and Final Thoughts Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!  Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com  Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com  Resources mentioned in this episode: Ronna's grief recommendations: Frank Osteseski’s book The Five Intentions is a really valuable guide/resource for me in palliative care and its ‘aftermath'. I also appreciate Ronald Epstein’s book: Attending: Medicine, Mindfulness and Humanity Mary-Frances O’Connor: The Grieving Brain: The Surprising Science of How We Learn from Love and Loss Mary-Frances O’Connor: The Grieving Body (to be published in 2025) George Bonnano: The Other Side of Sadness AND George Bonnano: The End of Trauma (both of these have a resilience orientation which appeals to me). TED talk by Abraham Vergehese emphasising the humanity of care. Articles: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2018-26629-017.    (A polyvagal approach) O’Connor, M.-F. (2019). Grief: A Brief History of Research on How Body, Mind, and Brain Adapt. Psychosomatic Medicine, 81(8), 731–738. https://doi.org/10.1097/PSY.0000000000000717 O’Connor, M.-F., & Seeley, S. H. (2022). Grieving as a form of learning: Insights from neuroscience applied to grief and loss. Current Opinion in Psychology, 43, 317–322. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.copsyc.2021.08.019 In Australia, we have a professional body called Grief Australia which is a great resource for PD/education (amongst other things). Perhaps there is something similar in the US. https://www.caresearch.com.au/Portals/20/Documents/Health-Professionals/TheRoleOfSkilledCompassionateTouchInGriefSupport_RonnaMoore_ACGBConference2018-1.pdf    What's Your Grief (you have already) has some good descriptions of the models of grief I mentioned (Dual Process Model and Growing around Grief), and there are others as well. Compassion Cultivation Training: https://med.stanford.edu/psychiatry/education/cme/cct.html Mindful Self Compassion: https://centerformsc.org Sponsor Offers:  Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.  ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.  Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering “thinking” at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/,. Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at: academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet About Whitney Lowe  | About Til Luchau  |  Email Us: [email protected] (The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar