In this episode of the Vernon Richard Show, Vernon and Richard discuss alternative names for the show and reflect on their recent activities. They talk about the Leeds Testing Atelier conference and highlight some of the workshops and talks they attended. They discuss the importance of play in the workplace and the impact of bugs in software development. They also mention the Post Office Horizon scandal and the need to consider the human impact of software failures. The conversation covered various topics including testing chatbots, the importance of accessibility and user flow mapping. The speakers discussed their experiences with chatbots, highlighting both positive and negative interactions. They also talked about the significance of screen readers and the need for proper web app design to improve accessibility. User flow mapping was mentioned as a useful technique for building a joint team understanding of work tasks. The conversation also touched on the challenges of communication with anxiety and the benefits of being open about mental health in the workplace. Various other topics were also discussed including reducing anxiety in the workplace, the concept of spoon theory, and the balance between speed and quality in software development. The speakers discussed the importance of building relationships and understanding how to communicate effectively to reduce anxiety. They also explored the idea of spoon theory, which relates to managing energy levels and prioritizing tasks. Lastly, they delved into the challenge of achieving both speed and quality in software development, emphasizing the need for a learning mindset and continuous improvement. Description Generated by AI Links to stuff we mentioned during the pod: 00:00 - James ThomasJames' blogJames LinkedIn02:42 - The Testing Atelier ConferenceTheir websiteTheir YouTube channel05:10 - Jit Gosai Jit's Leeds Testing Atelier postJit's Leeds Testing Atelier talkJit's blog Jit's Quality Engineering Newsletter Jit's LinkedIn05:43 - Elly GausdenElly's LinkedIn08:03 - The Battleships board game09:00 - The Colt Express board game11:02 - Clare NormanClare's LinkedIn11:44 - Lego Serious Play Training11:56 - Rich's Lego Automation workshop13:33 - Elliot ThurlandElliot's talkElliot's LinkedIn13:38 - The Post Office Horizon scandalThe public enquiry websiteArticle on Wikipedia13:53 - James ChristieJames' blogJames' body of work regarding the Post Office scandal16:30 - BBC Radio 4 series about the Post Office Scandal16:35 - 4 part television drama for ITV17:48 - The Nightmare Headline game is described in Elisabeth Hendrickson's excellent book Explore It!18:43 - Bug AdvocacyThe Association for Software Testing (AST) flavour of the courseThe Black Box Software Testing training programs in collaboration with Altom and Cem Kaner19:20 - Kelsey HightowerKelsey's Twitter/XKelsey's GitHub21:08 - Leah King & Tracy ArchibaldTheir talkLeah's LinkedInTracy's LinkedIn23:44 - Emily O'ConnorEmily's LinkedIn28:20 - Steven MilneSteven's talkSteven's LinkedinSteven's Twitter/X34:54 - Paul ColesPaul's LinkedIn34:54 - Rita AvotaRita's LinkedIn35:20 - How assistive technology is REALLY usedAccessibility Testing with People with Disabilities - Samuel ProulxWe've linked to the specific part of the video that shows the demo but we'd recommend watching the whole presentation!38:47 - Colin WrenColin's talkColin's LinkedIn45:24 - Melissa RocksMelissa's talkMelissa's LinkedInMelissa's Twitter/X51:14 - Spoon Theory56:03 - Ian ThomasIan's LinkedIn56:29 - Rich's "allergic reaction" presentation: "Pyramids Are Ancient - Test Automation Strategy"59:45 - The Adobo & Avocados show01:01:52 - Kiel GoodmanKiel's LinkedIn01:04:45 - The Gartner Hype Cycle01:04:59 - Troy MagennisTroy's websiteTroy's LinkedIn 00:00 - Banter (new name suggestions from James Thomas) 01:09 - The actual intro 😅 01:55 - Footy content warning 🚨 02:42 - What we intend to cover during this episode 04:42 - ⚽️ Footy (1 min) 05:10