In this conversation, Richard and Vernon discuss their use of AI in their lives and then explore the topic of working at their dream companies. Richard expresses his fascination with SpaceX and the incredible engineering and technology involved in space exploration. Vernon shares his love for video games and the art and science behind their creation. They also touch on the emotions involved in software testing and how they can be clues to underlying problems. The conversation explores various emotions experienced during software testing, including frustration, joy, fear, suspicion, and familiarity. Frustration often arises when encountering bugs or issues, while joy can be felt when using a well-designed and user-friendly app. Fear is associated with the potential for irreversible actions or data loss. Suspicion arises when recognizing patterns or past experiences that may indicate potential problems. Familiarity helps in identifying missing features or inconsistencies. The conversation also touches on the concept of behavior-driven development (BDD) and the importance of having conversations and automating them rather than just documenting them. #exploratorytesting #softwaretesting #testing #software #softwaredevelopment #emotions 00:00 - Intro attempt no. 100:50 - Intro attempt no. 201:16 - ⚽️ Footy01:46 - ⚽️ Footy related preamble to the question03:01 - Dream job question03:36 - Space! The final frontier!03:54 Dream Job: Working at SpaceX and Developing Software for Rockets08:30 - Dream job: Nintendo, adventure games, and storytelling11:54 The Fascination with Rockets and Space17:04 - Emotions in software testing19:41 Beyond Functionality: The Importance of User Experience and Emotions20:10 The Role of Emotions in Software Testing20:35 Using Frustration and Anger as Indicators of Improvement Areas21:29 Learning and Coding: Frustration and Joy22:36 BDD and Sweary Outbursts23:56 The Importance of Clear User Scenarios25:34 The Value of Conversations in BDD26:50 - Joyful testing28:57 Fear and Suspicion in Testing31:14 The Anxiety of Sending Money33:27 - Suspicion and that feeling of de ja vu36:09 Applying Past Experiences and Patterns37:25 The Evolution of Suspicion and Familiarity39:27 The Role of Heuristics in Testing41:24 The Absence of Joy in Testing42:46 Emotions as a Guide for Testing Strategies and Approaches Links to stuff we mentioned during the pod: 00:09 - KrispKrisp.ai - Noise cancelling software (not an affiliate link!)00:56 - Tristan LombardTristan's LinkedInTristan's TwitterVincent Kompany03:36 - SpaceX07:02 - Virgin GalacticTheir websiteHistoric mission which included the first women astronauts from the CaribbeanAntogua08:34 - Nintendo09:50 - Wonder Boy III: The Dragon's TrapWonder Boy III: The Dragon's Trap wiki page10:44 - The Zelda gamesThe Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past wiki page12:49 - Daniel KnottDaniel's YouTube channelDaniel's blogDaniel's booksHands-On Mobile App Testing on LeanpubSmartwatch App Testing on LeanpubDaniel's LinkedIn22:45 - Behaviour Driven DevelopmentWhat is BDD? Doc page on cucumber.ioAnd again on the wiki page24:59 - Mark WinteringhamMark's website and blogMark's LinkedIn25:43 - Liz Keogh"Having the conversation > Documenting the conversation > Automating the conversation" Check out Slide 14 of Liz's excellent course Behaviour Driven Development38:40 - Beren van DaeleBeren's Testsphere cards (including links where you can buy your own deck - RECOMMEND!)The RiskStorming process based on the Testsphere deck for discovering risks (including using emotions!)Beren's websiteBeren's LinkedIn