In this episode of the Vivek Show, host Vivek Ramaswamy and guest Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, delve into an insightful conversation on U.S. immigration policy. They debate on topics like border security, the role of the military, and the political implications of immigration policy. Krikorian emphasizes the power of normal law enforcement in securing the border and advocates for substantial legal and policy changes. Ramaswamy and Krikorian further address the contentious issue of legal immigration, its role in modern society, and the effects of immigration on domestic labor. Krikorian presents compelling arguments on the need for a shift in approach, suggesting the categorization of legal immigration into family, skills, and humanitarian aspects. Finally, they discuss the impact of foreign students in American universities and possible reforms in this area. This episode presents thought-provoking perspectives and viable solutions to the complex issue of immigration.