Long-time filmmaker, writer and director, Eoin Cleland, talks to us about his award-winning feature 'Ups and Downs'. The film won Best Feature in our 2019 Sept./Oct. Bi-Monthly awards. We discuss how Eoin earned his role as director of a BBC production after learning his craft on indie projects. We also cover how even on a "bigger" set there can still be moments reminiscent of the early days of a filmmaking career. The conversation culminates in showing Eoin's passion for telling authentic stories with fully realised and well-rounded characters, showing real-life, beautifully.