Say thanks and learn more about our podcast sponsor Omnisend.  In this episode of WP Minute+, I sat down with Jono Alderson, an independent technical SEO consultant and former Yoast team member. We dove into the evolving world of SEO, the challenges facing WordPress marketing, and the recent controversies surrounding WordPress.org and WordPress.com. Jono's insights on SEO were enlightening. He emphasized that modern SEO is about overall website quality, encompassing user experience, technical integrity, performance, security, and accessibility.  This holistic approach contrasts with outdated notions of keyword stuffing or churning out content for content's sake. We discussed the shift towards building brand reputation and recall, especially in the face of AI-powered search results that are changing how people discover information. Our conversation took a deep dive into the state of WordPress marketing and community involvement. Jono highlighted the critical lack of resources, strategy, and leadership in marketing WordPress effectively. We explored the challenges of volunteer-led initiatives and the absence of a clear product direction. This led to a sobering discussion about the burnout and exodus of contributors from the WordPress ecosystem, which Jono sees as one of the most significant threats to the project's future. The recent controversies surrounding WordPress.com's mirroring of the .org plugin repository and Matt Mullenweg's comments about WordPress.org ownership were central to our discussion.  Jono provided valuable context on how these moves could impact plugin developers and the broader WordPress ecosystem. We speculated on the potential fragmentation of WordPress through various marketplaces and the implications for user choice and website portability. His insights into the technical superiority of WordPress over competitors, despite marketing challenges, were particularly interesting. It left me pondering how the community might address these issues and chart a path forward in this new, more complex WordPress landscape. Key takeaways for WordPress professionals: Modern SEO focuses on overall website quality, not just keywords or content volume.WordPress faces significant challenges in marketing and community involvement, with a noticeable exodus of contributors.The relationship between WordPress.org and WordPress.com is becoming increasingly complex and potentially problematic for the ecosystem.WordPress still maintains a technical edge over competitors, but struggles to communicate this advantage effectively.The potential fragmentation of WordPress through various marketplaces could threaten the platform's valued portability.There's a critical need for clear leadership and strategy in WordPress development and marketing.AI-powered search is changing SEO strategies, emphasizing the importance of brand building over traditional ranking factors. Important URLs mentioned: jonoalderson.com wordpress.org wordpress.com thewpminute.com/support Chapter titles with timestamps: [00:00:00] Introduction and SEO in 2024 [00:09:00] WordPress marketing challenges and community burnout [00:24:00] The WordPress.com plugin repository controversy [00:31:00] Potential fragmentation of WordPress through marketplaces [00:35:00] WordPress vs competitors in the SEO landscape [00:37:00] Favorite SEO plugins and tools for WordPress [00:39:00] Closing thoughts and Jono's latest blog post ★ Support this podcast ★