Say thanks and learn more about our podcast sponsor Omnisend.  In this episode of WP Minute+, I sat down with John O'Nolan, founder and CEO of Ghost, to discuss the open-source publishing platform and how it compares to WordPress in light of recent controversies. John's unique perspective as a former WordPress core team member and now leader of a competing platform provided fascinating insights into the challenges and opportunities in the open-source CMS space. Our conversation covered a wide range of topics, from Ghost's opinionated approach to feature development to the structure of its non-profit foundation. I was particularly struck by John's commitment to keeping Ghost focused and relatively small, with a goal of never growing beyond 50 employees. This intentional constraint, he argues, fosters creativity and helps maintain the team's agility and sense of purpose. Throughout our discussion, I was impressed by John's thoughtful approach to balancing commercial success with open-source ideals. His insights on the need for clear incentives in community contributions and the potential for paid open-source development challenged some long-held assumptions in the WordPress world. As someone who has used both platforms, I found myself reconsidering some of my own views on the future of content management systems and open-source sustainability. Key takeaways for WordPress professionals: Ghost's non-profit structure offers an alternative model for open-source sustainability.Intentional constraints on company size can drive innovation and focus.The "benevolent dictator for life" model may be outdated for large open-source projects.Clear incentives and recognition are crucial for encouraging community contributions.Open-source projects may need to consider paid contributions to remain competitive.Diversity in platforms and approaches benefits the entire web ecosystem.There's value in exploring and learning from different content management systems.Important URLs mentioned: ghost.orgthewpminute.com/subscribethepodcastsetup.comChapter titles with timestamps: [00:00:00] Introduction and Ghost's approach to features[00:05:00] Ghost's development stack and community[00:12:00] Non-profit structure and governance[00:21:00] Leadership and decision-making in open-source projects[00:28:00] Sustainability and funding models[00:32:00] Defining contributions in open-source ecosystems[00:36:00] Comparing Ghost and WordPress experiences ★ Support this podcast ★