There have been a lot of concerns about the use of punishment regarding the appropriateness and effectiveness of it as a behavior-change tool. And rightfully so, as the use of punishment can have a number of unintended side effects like emotional distress, retaliation, R- of undesired behaviors, the suppression of other adaptive behaviors, and more. In addition, the use of punishment raises questions related to individual rights, autonomy, consent, and assent. Given the dangers inherent in punishment, is it avoidable? In other words, is it possible to live in a society where there is no punishment? Or are some forms of punishment acceptable to use sometimes? If so, what kind of punishment and when? And how can we design punishment procedures to ensure they are ethical? In this episode, Steve Ward, David Roth, and I tackle the controversial topic as we try to answer these questions and more! Show Notes: Articles: Assent & Trauma Informed Care: A Call for Nuance in Behavior Analysis Dr. Carbone Article Podcasts: Trauma-Informed Care, Assent, and Compassion - A Call for Nuance in ABA Assent and Compliance - When to Use Which with Steve Ward An Intellectually Honest Discussion about Punishment and CESS Steve Ward: Whole Child Consulting David Roth: LinkedIn Profile The Behavioral Toolbox  Be sure to subscribe to Dr. Paulie's Heart & Science YouTube channel for a variety of contenet related to behavior science and bringing out the best in yourself and others.