The African Programme on Rethinking Development Economics (APORDE) is a high high-level training programme in development economics targeting policy-makers, researchers, academics and civil society representatives from Africa and other developing countries. The programme has been running since 2007 and is a joint initiative between the South African Department of Trade, Industry and Competition (the dtic) and Trade and Industrial Policy Strategies (TIPS). This first in a six part series will focus on Who Counts? Ayabonga Cawe will explore with his guests what countries measure and what they do not. This, Ayabonga explains, is crucial to any analysis of social change. His guests in this first podcast include,  Alex Cobham, Chief Executive Tax Justice Network, Basani Baloyi, a development economist with the Institute for Economic Justice and Dr Penelope Hawkins, senior economic affairs officer, UNCTAD.