This week on TMN Talks, editor Vivienne Kelly and publisher Jake Challenor discuss the appointment of Natalie Waller as chair of the Australian Recording Industry Association. They dive into what the move means for the broader music industry, as ARIA takes another step forward after its constitution was amended in 2018 to allow for additional directors to improve inclusiveness and diversity. Plus, what will the organisation look like with no Denis Handlin, and an independent record label leader at the helm?