Episode 91 is a conversation with New York based artist, musician, curator, zine maker, scene maker Rich Jacobs. After having moved in often overlapping punk rock/DIY friend circles for the better parts of our lives, I’m happy to say Rich and I finally got to know one another in the early days of the pandemic talking over the phone, just like we're doing here. This episode covers his early years, discovering punk rock as a preteen in the early eighties, his family’s moves from So Cal to the Pacific Northwest, where he saw his first punk show, and then to Colorado where he started his first band Atomic Dilemma. We talk about the punk rock zine culture we both were a part of and the skateboard/straightedge zine scene he cut his teeth in. Rich traces a line from these early publishing efforts to the work he is doing today; creating books of his paintings and drawings as well as acting as an art director on a forthcoming retrospective of the graphic work of our friend, the brilliant late artist/musician Rick Froberg.  Along the way he pays tribute to many friends, collaborators and influences who have enriched his life and informed his ideas about art and music making and Rich shares some of his strategies for finding joy in an imperfect world. I really enjoyed talking with Rich and I hope you find the conversation as inspiring and enjoyable as I did. Thanks for listening!               REST IN POWER GARY FLOYD SUPPORT THE PODCAST: PATREON LINKS:  Rich Jacobs @movezine  Instagram The art of Marian Zazeela Tim Kerr’s Music Music: Big Boys ‘Red/Green’ from Live at Raul’s Atomic Dilemma ’Scars’  Tim Kerr with Rich Jacobs ‘One Foot in Front of the Other’ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/jason-traeger/support