Eric is back from his PD flurry of work, so Bobbin and Eric kick it and catch up on the past two weeks in news to talk the Supreme Court nomination of Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson and…choose not to weigh in on the Oscars. Eric and Bobbin continue the conversation on public defense backlog and crisis, while talking about pay gaps and disparities in the legal system. Eric talks conservative attorney Ginni Thomas and justice of the U.S. Supreme Court Clarence Thomas. Bobbin and Eric discuss if Oregon is indeed a progressive state (conclusion: we can do better.), where we can make change, and why sentencing reform is so important.