When I met Mike in Ukraine in September I was able to record only a few hours out of our 50+ hours of philosophical discussions. This was the first of those. We talk about many things with someone I consider to be the top 5 most intelligent people I have come across (that includes baby Jesus!!).  We talk about how when you are in the more interesting places you often meet very interesting people you would have no chance of meeting at home. Travel can act as a filter for interestingness