In this conversation, BT explores the realms of spirituality, consciousness, and the esoteric with guest Joe Rupe of Lighting the Void Podcast. They reflects on the journey of seeking deeper truths beyond the physical world, sharing a personal experience with out-of-body experiences and the influence of significant figures in the esoteric community. The discussion delves into the nature of consciousness, the skepticism surrounding paranormal phenomena, and the relationship between magic and the spirit world. Throughout, there is an emphasis on the importance of curiosity, personal growth, and the quest for understanding in a complex universe. In this conversation, Joe discusses his influences in paranormal research, including notable figures like Manley P. Hall and Gordon White. He explores the complexities of human relationships and the impact of societal structures on personal authenticity. The discussion shifts to the implications of artificial intelligence in research and the ethical considerations surrounding it. Finally, Joe Rupe shares his vision for Fringe FM, emphasizing the importance of community and the role of fringe thinkers in societal evolution. Links:Lighting the VoidFringe.FM Chapters00:00 The Journey of Exploration04:59 Voices of the Unknown10:04 Personal Experiences and Spiritual Growth14:48 Influential Figures in the Esoteric Realm20:07 Understanding Consciousness and Reality24:57 Skepticism and the Paranormal29:45 The Nature of Magic and the Spirit World33:10 Influences in Paranormal Research44:34 The Role of Artificial Intelligence in Research57:12 The Vision Behind Fringe FM