The following is my conversation with Franc Milburn. Franc is a former UK Defence Intelligence officer, trained and educated via the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst and the London School of Economics.  He has written a number of peer-reviewed papers for numerous globally ranked think-tanks and is an affiliated researcher with the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, which published two UAP reports by him on UAP, cited by Dr. Hal Puthoff and Chris Mellon, amongst many others. He is a member of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies and shares with me his thoughts on the the current state of UAP transparency, the recent AARO Historical Report, his story that recently hit the British press where he talks of ‘UAP crash recovery’ and ‘bodies’ from a 1980s British case. A fascinating guy with a rich history in the British military and intelligence services.