The following is a conversation with Ralph Blumenthal  Ralph is a former reporter for The New York Times and has a rich background in investigative journalism and crime reporting and cultural history, spanning from 1964 to 2009. He's authored seven books, including his latest, "The Believer: Alien Encounters, Hard Science, and the Passion of John Mack," published in March 2021. This book explores the life of Pulitzer Prize-winning psychiatrist John E. Mack, who delved into investigating accounts of human abductions by a non-human phenomenon, risking his career in the process. Additionally, Ralph and his wife, Deborah, co-authored a nonfiction book for children titled "UFOhs!," published in April 2023. In his conversation with Tom and I we discuss how he came to publish the explosive story of the Pentagon’s secret UFO program AATIP in the New York Times in 2017, his investigation in to the credibility of Luis Elizondo, his work on Joh Mack, his feelings on the AARO Historical Report and government misinformation in to the UFO/UAP subject. A fascinating man with an incredible history. A real treat and honour for us to have the opportunity to talk.