Our host, Kosta Lucas, speaks with Anisha Asundi, Research Fellow and a Gender Specialist at the Women and Public Policy Program at the Harvard Kennedy School. “Our unconscious bias perceives women to be either likeable or competent, not both, which is kind of a horrifying example of how unconscious bias exists.” Anisha Asundi What does the Boston Symphony Orchestra installing curtains for auditions back in 1952 have to do with gender justice in 2022? And why could the rigour of data capture and analysis hold the key to undoing unconscious bias in the community, and specifically in the workplace? Anisha Asundi talks to us about how she has been working on how gender gaps in the technology sector can be addressed to increase diversity, equity and inclusion. She speaks on why diversity training has limited effectiveness, and how gender equity, equality and justice all differ as goals of a more inclusive workplace and society. About Anisha Asundi: She is Research Fellow and a Gender Specialist at the Women and Public Policy Program at the Harvard Kennedy School. She manages Gender Action Portal at Harvard and works on Gender and Technology portfolio — which brings evidence-based research to the tech actor to close the tech gender gap and increase diversity, equity and inclusion in that area.