This episode is a talk that I recorded at the Wits Art Museum in July 2019, between two prolific South African artists, Sam Nhlengethwa and William Kentridge, over the time that Sam’s print retrospective was displayed at WAM. This talk continues from a previous conversation between the two last year at the Centre for the Less Good Idea. Both artists were born in 1955, a fact on which the talk was premised, and engaged how their lives and careers have grown in parallel, sometimes converging, over the decades. The conversation is moderated by the wonderful Neil Dundas, a curator at the Goodman Gallery who has worked with both men for many decades. The focus of this conversation is largely on how music has been so influential to both their art practices and they have compiled a playlist which they refer to during the talk. Those music pieces haven’t always translated well in the recording so I have included the playlist below so you can listen to each song with more appreciation. On iTunes: https://music.apple.com/za/playlist/sam-william-at-wam-2019/pl.u-38oWXm4sZlZbaL On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0M9hFoHYaXkfXPEtdDjOSB Enjoy listening to this engaging conversation with Sam Nhlengethwa and William Kentridge. Thank you to Wits Art Museum for allowing me to record this talk and publish it on Unframed.