When we think about our best work, the things that come to mind are probably about the work itself, but guest Denise Burchell poses that team member relationships are the real determiners of success. In this episode, J.B. and Molly learn how to design those relationships for maximum impact and innovation as Denise shares valuable insights garnered from years spent leading cross-disciplinary teams. They also explore shifting focus from products to people and how to plan for the relationship dynamic, remote or not. "You can do anything with a distributed team that you can do with an in-person team... you just have to make up a lot of the serendipity with orchestration." - Denise Burchell 0:10 - Intro 1:22 - Shifting from product first to relationship first 7:30 - Aligning with executives 13:53 - Hire, Fire, Boss! 17:38 - Ways of working and macroeconomics 20:48 - Team ideation for the TED conference 26:35 - On distributed and in-person teams 30:42 - Reflections and outro Connect with Denise on LinkedIn. Mentioned in this podcast: - Create Inclusive Collaboration Experiences During the Design Process training by Molly and Denise on Salesforce Trailhead Follow Unserious in your podcast app, at unserious.com, and on Instagram and Threads at @unserious.fun.