In this conversation, I speak with Abhishek Agrawal, co-founder and CEO of Material Security. We talk about: - Material's Security innovative approach to email security by not just preventing unauthorized access but also containing damage from potential breaches. -Abhishek's background in data infrastructure at Dropbox and how product mangers can become successful CEOs due to their cross-functional expertise.  - The need for customized security measures for different organizations, the role of AI in detecting email threats, the importance of single-tenant environments for sensitive customers and the potential risk of default settings in productivity suites like Google Workspace. Among other topics.  Abhishek's Background and Material Security (00:00:00)Email Security and Productivity Suite (00:01:01)Geographical Connection and Coffee Meetup (00:02:06)Product Managers as CEOs and Co-founders (00:02:59)Empowering Product Managers (00:05:01)Product Management and Marketing Importance (00:08:04)Email as a Content Repository (00:09:39)Securing Email Content (00:11:03)Data Protection for Email (00:12:10)Redacting and Canaries (00:12:57)Email Security vs. Data Security (00:14:53)Abuse Cases and Control Layers (00:17:32)Mailbox Compromise and Lateral Movement (00:17:39)Threat Scenario Analysis (00:20:15)Language Models for Detection (00:22:19)Optimism in AI Tools for Defense (00:24:34)Customized Detection Categories (00:25:52)Security Controls Trend (00:26:20)Security Concerns for Law Firms (00:27:07)Email Copy Distribution (00:27:24)API-Based Integration (00:29:08)Monitoring LM Functionality (00:30:42)Threat Intelligence and Detection (00:32:54)Product Design Philosophy (00:35:56)Data Protection (00:38:01)Flexibility in Deployment (00:39:26)Main Products (00:40:33)Posture Management (00:44:01)Broadening Product Coverage (00:48:49)Google Workspace Threat Detection (00:50:05)Challenges with CSP (00:51:13)Contextual Intelligence (00:52:02)Balancing Depth and Breadth (00:53:15)Learning about Material (00:53:40) Become a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgrade See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.