In this episode, Jay covers environmental policy with Timothy Male, the Executive Director of the Environmental Policy Innovation Center (EPIC).  Tim outlines EPIC’s mission and its impact on U.S. environmental policies, focusing on initiatives like environmental restoration. They explore challenges in conservation efforts, especially the long permitting times which can get projects in limbo for years and years. The conversation covers innovative financial mechanisms like debt-for-nature swaps and state revolving loan funds. Tim advocates for significantly increasing this funding and discusses pay-for-success contracts as a scalable policy tool for nature-based climate finance. He also highlights the value in public-private partnerships for finance.  Tim concludes with his vision for the future for the policy ecosystem in the US, stressing the need to improve how policy narratives can drive financial resources toward enhancing our relationship with nature.  -- About: ⁠Untangling Climate Finance⁠ explores the dynamic field of climate change finance through conversations with industry experts about topics including climate solutions, global carbon markets, carbon projects, novel technologies such as AI and distributed ledger, and much more. If you have any questions, comments, a future guest recommendation, or are interested in joining Jay for an episode, please shoot him a message at: ⁠[email protected]⁠ Credits: The podcast is produced by ⁠⁠Gordian Knot Strategies⁠⁠. It is written, narrated, and edited by ⁠⁠Jay Tipton⁠⁠. Special thanks to ⁠Sean Penrith⁠, Jacoba Gundle, Maggie Tipton, and Julie Witherspoon.  Music is by ⁠⁠Diamond_Tunes⁠.