Guest: Drew Payne, CEO of UpMetrics Kerrin talks to Drew Payne, the CEO of UpMetrics about the importance of impact measurement and management in the philanthropy sector and how it can be simplified and made more effective. They also cover the challenges and opportunities in creating cohorts and learning collectives, as well as the importance of storytelling and visualization in driving change. To learn more about UpMetrics, visit upmetrics.com To learn more about Fluxx, visit fluxx.io To learn more about Neon One, visit neonone.com Episodes of Untapped Philanthropy are edited, mixed, and mastered by Rocket Skates Recording.