Hugo speaks with Dan Becker and Hamel Husain, two veterans in the world of data science, machine learning, and AI education. Collectively, they’ve worked at Google, DataRobot, Airbnb, Github (where Hamel built out the precursor to copilot and more) and they both currently work as independent LLM and Generative AI consultants. Dan and Hamel recently taught a course on fine-tuning large language models that evolved into a full-fledged conference, attracting over 2,000 participants. This experience gave them unique insights into the current state and future of AI education and application. In this episode, we dive into: The evolution of their course from fine-tuning to a comprehensive AI conference The unexpected challenges and insights gained from teaching LLMs to data scientists The current state of AI tooling and accessibility compared to a decade ago The role of playful experimentation in driving innovation in the field Thoughts on the economic impact and ROI of generative AI in various industries The importance of proper evaluation in machine learning projects Future predictions for AI education and application in the next five years We also touch on the challenges of using AI tools effectively, the potential for AI in physical world applications, and the need for a more nuanced understanding of AI capabilities in the workplace. During our conversation, Dan mentions an exciting project he's been working on, which we couldn't showcase live due to technical difficulties. However, I've included a link to a video demonstration in the show notes that you won't want to miss. In this demo, Dan showcases his innovative AI-powered 3D modeling tool that allows users to create 3D printable objects simply by describing them in natural language. LINKS The livestream on YouTube Educational resources from Dan and Hamel's LLM course Upwork Study Finds Employee Workloads Rising Despite Increased C-Suite Investment in Artificial Intelligence Episode 29: Lessons from a Year of Building with LLMs (Part 1) Episode 30: Lessons from a Year of Building with LLMs (Part 2) Dan's demo: Creating Physical Products with Generative AI Build Great AI, Dan's boutique consulting firm helping clients be successful with large language models Parlance Labs, Hamel's Practical consulting that improves your AI Hamel on Twitter Dan on Twitter Vanishing Gradients on Twitter Hugo on Twitter