We finish up our interview with Matt Hoh and add portions of our webinar with Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson. We hear them talk about Israel, and Ukraine but mostly about the state of the empire and it is not good. They also talk about the nature of military service and the impact it can have on a young person. Col. Wilkerson also talks about our nuclear posture in this dangerous world. We finish with Harvey remembering Barbara Dane and the day she came to the People's House in Clarksville.