Vinter's Jacob Lindberg and Safello's Frank Schuil (founder and CEO) spar in this episode on everything from how Frank discovered crypto, the times when the entire crypto community would fit in a room, stories on investments, investors and how Safello ensures proper pricing and custody on their platform. They discuss the current DeFi vs Bitcoin debate, and what problems crypto can solve or create. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.