Austrian Graf & Steve Birss of Lethbridge, Alberta discuss their song "Heathen" and share their diverse journeys out of Christianity. Each raised by a single mom, but their mothers influenced them in unique ways. We talk about the Jesus movement, leg lengthening, calvinism & Christian tattoos. We hear about the impact of drug dealing & jail, overcoming an eating disorder & healing from trauma. One of the best takeaways: we have the power within ourselves to overcome life's difficulties. No god required.