The previous podcast talks about how being a co-dependent adversely affects others as well as yourself. Many codependents will not take on healing because after all it's just about them and they don't matter .....that's the thinking of a co-dependent. So by looking at the evil side of codependency and the harm it can cause other sometimes that helps people to get into recovered. No doubt some people will take that podcast is victim shaming and blaming. So to balance that out this is about the pain the internal pain a co-dependent experiences before waking up and starting to get into recovery.