Shea and Maxwell take a trip to South Africa with the finalist of Cycle 4 of Top Model and are joined by Kalen Allen from the Ellen Degeneres Show. Shea and Kalen have a really inspirational conversation about manifestation, kangaroos, and first impressions. Kalen tells us about how Top Model shaped him into a queer icon in elementary school. The Top Model Experts also get to the bottom of some of the cringeworthy moments in Africa. And Kalen has a lot of questions about art direction that has Shea cackling. Listen to Wanna Be On Top? Ad-Free on Forever Dog Plus Want to send us your own Tyra Mail? Email us at [email protected] FOLLOW SHEA Instagram - @sheacoulee SheaCoulee.com FOLLOW MOM PODCASTS WANNA BE ON TOP? IS A FOREVER DOG AND MOGULS OF MEDIA (M.O.M.) PODCAST See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.