The Wests Tigers have gone down to the Cowboys in Townsville to mark the side's eighth consecutive loss. But despite the 42-28 loss, are there some real signs of life starting to emerge in this team? Joel Helmes is joined by Eddie Otto, Garry Watson, and Steve Stretton to look at the green shoots that might be starting to show. But it isn't all sunshine and rainbows (as you might expect after eight losses!), there's also a look at the not-so-good aspects of Friday night's performance. There's a whole stack of one-word submissions from the members of the Wests Tigers Podcast Forum too.  The boys take a look at the omission of Api Korisau and Stefano Utoikamanu from the first NSW State of Origin side. Ask the question, should the Wests Tigers look at appointing an experienced coach to assist Benji Marshall in 2025 and beyond? Try to work out the real target for CEO Shane Richardson's trip to the UK.  And there's discussion around the potential call-up of young Tiger's prop, Jordan Miller. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.