The death of George Floyd this spring, and the recent grand jury decision not to charge police officers with the killing of Breonna Taylor, have brought race relations in America to a boiling point, again. The country is being forced to confront a painful history, which includes slavery and oppression. This week, we ask how we should have meaningful conversations which include people from all races. Joining Katty and Carlos are Christina Greer, professor of political science at Fordham University, and the award winning South African journalist Justice Malala. Editor: Penny Murphy Produced by Sandra Kanthal, Viv Jones and Maeve McGoran, with reporting from Suzanne Kianpour Mixed by Nigel Appleton