Our host Cat interviews Dr Anna Haw, a south African wildlife vet, who seeks to understand the economics behind wildlife conservation. Anna made a very unusual decision for a vet when she moved to California to get her MBA. She wanted to understand the underlying context of why a rhino is dead worth so much more than alive in our current warped value system and how this could be changed. Besides, Anna talks about her incredible time spent in the Kalahari Desert at night, while waiting for an aardvark to pop out of its burrow and being charged by highly aggressive porcupines.