How do we escape Moloch’s trap for good? In this special Burning Man edition of Win-Win, Liv forgoes the usual purple chairs for dusty playa to chat with Kristian Rönn. Kristian is the CEO and co-founder of Normative, a platform for helping industries strive for net zero emissions. With intellectual roots in Oxford’s Future of Humanity Institute and his own mission to create positive-sum solutions to climate change, Kristian has just launched a new book - The Darwinian Trap - and in this conversation, Liv and Kristian examine solutions to the short-term thinking and cost externalisation that traditional markets often produce. A conversation full of evolutionary biology, game theory and economics as they examine solutions to the world’s deadliest demon. Chapters (01:42)-The Darwinian Trap (03:42)-Why Is Coordination So Hard? (07:19)-Unstable Equilibriums: The Butterfly Effect of Game Theory (13:55)-Natural Selection: Capitalism's Ace In The Hole (20:16)-How Can A Market Model Anything At All? (22:10)-Betting On Our Values (27:29)-What Problems Do Reputational Markets Solve? (32:56)-Centralized Mechanisms for Overcoming The Darwinian Trap (35:16)-The Risks of Over-Centralization (39:46)-The Burning Man Model (43:00)-Mixed Economies (45:53)-Killing The Incentives or Kill The Organism? (50:59)-The Miracle of Evolutionary Success (54:03)-Finding Hope  (56:21)-Spreading Awareness To Defeat Moloch (59:58)-Why Burning Man? Links ♾️ Kristian’s New Book ♾️ Kristian’s Bio ♾️ Liv’s TED talk on Moloch ♾️ Reputational Markets ♾️ Episode Transcript Credits ♾️  Hosted and Produced by Liv Boeree ♾️  Post-Production by Ryan Kessler The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. #WinWinPodcast #TheDarwinianTrap #Moloch