Lisa Daniel is joined by her guest Shane Gardner. Born in the 1950s, Shane grew up in suburban Melbourne before moving to country Victoria in the late 1970s. Shane left school in his mid-teens and started his early career in the transport industry. Then married his wife in the 1980s and they had 2 children together. By the time he was in his late 30s, his attraction to men became undeniable. He then moved back to Melbourne and eventually agreed to become general manager of a variety of sex on premises venues throughout Melbourne. Word for Word is hosted by Lisa Daniel on JOY Media, produced by Ellen Spalding, and podcasted by Thomas Olejniczak.  This podcast originally aired on May 27th, 2023. For further information head to the JOY Media webpage, Word for Word podcast page, via Facebook or email Lisa Daniel and the team at Word for Word.