In this episode, we're joined by Susan Liao, a product leader and champion of liberatory leadership working at the intersection of digital innovation, social entrepreneurship and non-profit impact strategy. In this episode, we chat about: Her journey into tech and product Navigating her life through agencies and startups Pivoting from the corporate world to impact-driven work Conforming into inequitable systems and role, and shifting away to find her voice Why we adapt as marginalized communities and how to break away from upholding inequitable systems What’s in Susan’s “kitchen sink” The future of work, diversifying the spaces we are a part of, and creating different forms of distributing wealth Challenging existing systems of work, capitalism, and labor The concept of "Space, pace, and grace" - how are we acknowledging rest as part of our work? Honoring the north star of the communities around us Creating more intention behind our beliefs, words, and actions The importance of rest and filling our cup You can find Susan at: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/susanliao Startups for All: startupsforall.org Leaders Like Us: leaderslikeus.us Susan's first startup experience: Print All Over Me with NEW INC's Year 2 cohort  About Ecocycles and strategy knotworking Improving cross-disciplinary collaboration with strategy knotworking and ecocycle planning, by Nancy White   Emergent Strategy https://adriennemareebrown.net/book/emergent-strategy/ Petra Vega (She/Her/Ella), Liberatory Leadership Coach, Facilitator, Radical Social Worker and Emergent Strategist https://createmorepossibilities.com/about-me/   Ruha Benjamin https://www.ruhabenjamin.com/ Respect The Small https://www.instagram.com/p/Ct2gyOcP694/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== You can follow me at: Instagram: @stevenwakabayashi YouTube: @stevenwakabayashi Subscribe to my weekly newsletter: mindfulmoments.substack.com Visit our website yellowglitterpodcast.com