I have written a chapter and President Martin Van Buren for Iain Dale's book The Presidents, this episode is my interview with Iain talking about Van Buren and a reading from the chapter. The Presidents: 250 Years of American Political Leadership Book by Iain Dale https://www.amazon.co.uk/Presidents-Years-American-Political-Leadership/dp/1529379520/ See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.