Around 250,000 people walk some portion of the Camino de Santiago, a 500-mile network of ancient pilgrim routes in Spain, each year. In 2016, Brian and Peri Zahnd became two of those people, and it’s marked their lives ever since. On this episode, host Steve Cuss talks with the Zahnds about the ways that the pilgrimage shaped their perspectives on life and faith. The three discuss pastoring, political participation, and peace in Jesus. Their conversation also covers the Zahnds’ books, ministry, and marriage.  Resources mentioned in this episode or recommended by the guests include: Brian Zahnd Every Scene By Heart: A Camino de Santiago Memoir by Peri Zahnd Word of Life Church Camino de Santiago Faith, Hope, and Carnage by Nick Cave and Seán O’Hagan The Way Scot McKnight Paul Among the People: The Apostle Reinterpreted and Reimagined in His Own Time by Sarah Ruden Albergues on the Camino The Wood Between the Worlds: A Poetic Theology of the Cross by Brian Zahnd Click here for a trial subscription at Christianity Today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices