In this chat celebrated UK community leader Patrick Vernon shares a series of stories about how he has learnt to combined the strengths of putting pressure for change through grassroots activism, and negotiating for change through inside lobby and compromise. Patrick is known for his work in gaining recognition for Black migrants in the UK, particularly in campaigning for the recognition of Windrush Day and the contribution of Black leaders in UK history. He also has a fascinating set of experiences weaving change in external pressure for international solidarity and internal change in institutions like the NHS. Rather than our sometimes polarised political strategists that see activism or formal policy change as separate choices, Patrick makes the case for their versatile and creative interconnection if we are to make change across a progressive political ecosystem. ChangeMakers 2024 is supported by the Civic Power Fund and work with the UCL Policy Lab. This year they are supporting ChangeMakers to bring together a collection of Chats filled with extraordinary ideas and everyday experience to understand how we can change the world, www.ucl.ac.uk/policy-lab/ucl-policy-lab and www.civicpower.org.uk/. For more on ChangeMakers check us out: Via our Website - https://changemakerspodcast.org (where you can also sign up to our email list!) On Facebook, Instagram, Threads - https://www.facebook.com/ChangeMakersPodcast/ On X/Twitter - @changemakers99 or @amandatatts On LinkedIn - Amanda.Tattersall Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.