Episodes
Alex Kelly is not just the host of the In-House Outliers Podcast, he is also COO and Co-Founder at Brightflag and one of our favorite guests at CLOC Talk. In this state of the legal ops podcast scene, Jenn and Alex connect and discuss all of their favorite topics at the CLOC Talk Podcast Lounge at this year's EMEA Summit. Thank you to our friends at Icertis for sponsoring this episode.
Published 11/02/23
In this week's episode, Jenn is joined by the Chief Evangelist at Icertis Bernadette Bulacan. The two legal tech innovators, get skeptical together about generative AI. They wonder, did attorneys ever really get on board with classic AI? Find out what they think and more on this episode of CLOC Talk.  Thank you to Icertis for sponsoring this episode.
Published 10/26/23
On this episode, we kick off our series of interviews from the podcast lounge at CLOC's 2023 EMEA Summit in London. Caroline Hill, editor-in-chief at The Legal IT Insider, joins CLOC Talk host Jenn McCarron to talk about the history of legal operations. https://legaltechnology.com/
Published 10/19/23
In this episode, we're going to the main stage of our 2023 CLOC EMEA Summit in London. Jenn is joined by Bernadette Bulacan Starin, Chief Evangelist at Icertis,  Aine Lyons, Senior Vice President and Deputy General Counsel at VMware, and CLOC Board member, and Andrew Perlman, Dean at Suffolk University Law School. This is the episode to catch if you are having EMEA FOMO. It’s full of juicy debates on the world's newest rockstar technology Generative AI.
Published 10/12/23
In this special episode of CLOC Talk, Jenn steps out of the office and into the music studio with Michael Morrison, Senior Client Manager at Priori. In this casual conversation between two friends, they catch up on their shared love for music, legal tech, and everything in between. And according to Michael, the word is vibe.
Published 10/05/23
In today's episode, Jenn sits down with frequent CLOC Talk cohost, Tommie Ferreira, Head of Legal Ops at Cedar, and guest Ihor Monostraisky, Head of Legal at BetterMe, a lawyer and legal ops professional based in Ukraine. We get into the weeds about strategy and knowledge management as Ihor takes us through how he and his team are scaling themselves and accelerating business over at BetterMe. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking for the inside scoop on how one company handles...
Published 09/28/23
In this special episode of CLOC Talk, Jenn is joined by her mentor Steve Harmon, Chief Operating Officer and general counsel at Elevate. Steve was a founding board member of CLOC and Jenn’s old boss at Cisco. In this very personal mentorship conversation, Jenn and Steve go deep into what makes a great mentor, and they reminisce how Steve got Jenn to put the guitar down and join the dark side of this legal tech and operations.
Published 09/14/23
This week Jenn is joined by Aine Lyons, fellow CLOC board member, and Senior Vice President and Deputy General Counsel at VMware to chat about the CLOC 2023 EMEA Summit, September 18 and 19 at the Royal Lancaster in London. You will love this jam-packed conversation between Aine and Jenn, as they discuss the launch of the CLOC European Advisory Committee, the themes of this year's summit, and luxury pajama shopping in NYC. Tickets are still available. See you there!!
Published 09/07/23
On this episode of CLOC Talk, Jenn is joined by Julie Richer, Director of Legal Operations at Bath and Body Works, and Kim Wolfe, Head of Legal Business Management at Wells Fargo Bank. This trio of longtime legal ops professionals breaks down how they implement change management at their organizations. This episode is a must-listen for anyone who wants the inside scoop on how to scale their team, get buy-in and speed up the change management clock.
Published 08/31/23
In this episode, Jenn sits down with IN-Q, an Emmy-nominated poet, multi-platinum songwriter, and the best-selling author of Inquire Within, after his incredible keynote at CGI 2023. They discuss Jenn's vulnerability hangover, personal transformation, and how all change management starts with personal change. Very special thanks to Ironclad for sponsoring this podcast!
Published 08/24/23
This week, attorney turned social media strategist and personal branding expert, Sameena Safdar, joins Jenn to chat about all the reasons why you, yes you, need to develop a personal brand. In this practical and instructive discussion, Sameena shares her three-step process for building your personal brand.
Published 08/17/23
This week, Jenn chats with Justin Felder, Senior Manager of Legal Operations at Indeed, about how to be a rockstar intrapreneur at your company. They discuss resilience, restraint, and what it takes to innovate within the walls of your existing job.
Published 08/10/23
On this episode, Jenn sits down with fellow CLOC Board member and Head of Legal Operations at Delta Airlines, Laura Dieudonne, HRM AAS, to announce CLOC's inaugural Diversity Equity Inclusion and Belonging Council. This council will be led by Laura and consists of 14 volunteer members who share a common ethos, boldly pursuing equity internally at CLOC and externally in our legal ops ecosystem. Special thanks to all of our guests on this episode, Mark Allen, R. Shawn Gross (he/him), and...
Published 08/09/23
Do you have a tech stack? Do you want one? In this episode, host Jenn McCarron and co-host Tommie Ferreira get technical with the Sr. Director of Legal Operations at Microsoft, Tom Orrision.  Learn about Tom's insane Microsoft tech stack, and why you probably don't need all the things they have.  If you haven't already, get your passes to CLOC EMEA 2023 in London this September 18th - 19th. Early bird pricing is still in effect until August 15th, 2023.
Published 08/03/23
In this episode Jenn sits down with the OG's of the legal ops industry podcast space, Alex Rosenrauch and Elliot Leibu to discuss the state of the state of legal operations. They share about an inspired train ride in 2019 after the CLOC Australia Institute (yes that's a thing!) where the idea for their podcast was born. Jenn gets the full rundown on what they are seeing in the space and where they think the future of legal is ops going! If you haven't already, get your passes to CLOC EMEA...
Published 07/27/23
Mary O’Carroll, Chief Community Officer at Ironclad, and CLOC Talk host Jenn McCarron catch up with a real talk session in Vegas at CGI 2023. With these two, what happens in Vegas, does not stay in Vegas. In this episode, we talk to Mary about her standing-room-only sessions at this year's CLOC Global Institute, and why she's pumped about how generative AI will disrupt legal for the better. You don't want to miss this catch-up between two legal ops icons. Thank you to our sponsor for this...
Published 07/20/23
This week we join host Jenn McCarron as she debriefs with keynote speaker, podcast host, and activist Baratunde Thurston on the topic of transformation. Those of us who work in legal operations deal with professional and corporate transformations daily. In this super honest conversation, Jenn and Bartunde reflect on their personal transformations that began with the shutdown in 2020 and how they are moving forward after all that change. Check out Bartunde's podcast How to Citizen wherever you...
Published 07/13/23
In this week's episode host Jenn McCarron, Director of Legal Operations and Technology at Netflix, sits down with Brian Meegan, Director of Sales and Marketing at ProSearch. to chat about wellness at work. Brian reveals how ProSearch measures and analyzes the staff's experience with their products and designs solutions to improve their happiness and engagement. This progressive approach, utilizing technology, data, and social science, showcases a glimpse into the future of work. People...
Published 07/06/23
Welcome to season two of CLOC Talk! Today's episode comes at you LIVE from the CLOC Global Institute (CGI) main stage. Join host Jenn McCarron, Director of Legal Operations & Technology at Netflix as she goes deep into the dark night of the soul with panel guests Virginia Griffith of LegalBillReview,  Jennifer Mattson of Nationwide, and Carl Morrison of modCounsel. This episode is sponsored by LegalBillReview.
Published 06/29/23
Legal Ops HEROS. How about that CLOC Global Institute? Have you recovered yet? Our host Jenn McCarron drops in for a quick update on the next season of CLOC Talk. 🐙 CLOC INSTAGRAM 🕺🏻 JENN INSTAGRAM
Published 05/26/23
Join us for a peaceful start to your day with Morning Meditations, hosted by Warrior One and Powered by the CLOC Talk Podcast. 
Published 05/18/23
Join us for a peaceful start to your day with Morning Meditations, hosted by Warrior One and Powered by the CLOC Talk Podcast. 
Published 05/17/23
Join us for a peaceful start to your day with Morning Meditations, hosted by Warrior One and Powered by the CLOC Talk Podcast. 
Published 05/13/23
Tech, Transformation and The Meaning of Life. That is what CLOC Talk is all about. To celebrate CGI next week, we are updating our look. In this quick mini-episode, Jenn introduces our new look and sends a major shout-out to designer Stephanie Player.
Published 05/11/23
Jenn catches up with MIT-educated product developer and friend Dave Bredesen about the future of AI. Dave has some new thoughts about large language models and how they may change how we work in the future. Spoiler Alert: It's awesome.
Published 05/11/23