If you have ever experienced staff shortages, difficulties finding qualified people for your business or find recruitment overwhelming, watch this interview with Ben Szobody.  Ben’s interest in coffee predates many people’s, he was following the US coffee competitions in the 2000’s, in a time before twitter, which was once a big thing in the coffee world and certainly before competitions became a thing. He wrote the chemically imbalanced blog from 2007, chronicling “the way stellar coffee collides with real life.” Though he never actually worked directly in coffee, it was instead a useful vehicle for achieving positive social change in his other work. So, why would you listen to Ben Szobody’s advice on recruitment, training and people working in cafes? Because he has year’s of experience in developing professional baristas through his charity work in a program called Pro Baristas. The program has trained a truly diverse multitude of people with barista skills and soft skills and then supported them to find work in specialty cafes.  I think even the most experienced of cafe operators will find wisdom in what Ben has to say in the podcast. I expect you will come away, as I did, thinking differently about the benefits of diversity as a strategy for managing the challenges around labour shortages many operators are facing. These lessons can also be applied to other business sectors in the coffee industry.  If you feel inspired by the work of Pro Baristas and want to support or find out more, please go to  https://www.probaristas.com/our-story They can also offer consulting services in some instances.