In this engaging podcast episode, host Simon interviews Johan, also known as B8tem8te, a product designer and passionate member of the bating community. Johan shares his personal journey with masturbation, discussing how it has provided him with control and self-discovery, especially after experiencing a toxic relationship. The conversation delves into the perceptions of the bating community within the LGBTQIA+ spectrum, the importance of communication in relationships, and how Johan navigates his current relationship with a fellow bator. He emphasizes the significance of being open about one's sexual preferences and the joy he finds in the bating community. In this conversation, B8tem8te discusses various aspects of bating, including the use of poppers, the thrill of self-pleasure, and the excitement of outdoor bating. He contrasts the experiences of bating in person versus on camera, emphasizing the importance of establishing rules for group bating. B8tem8te also shares insights into the creation of the Batemates platform, the challenges faced in building an adult platform, and the significance of user feedback. He addresses age verification challenges and highlights upcoming features and updates for the Batemates app. Takeaways Masturbation offers control and self-discovery. Toxic relationships can impact one's sexual health. The bating community faces stigma and misunderstanding. Communication is key in any relationship. Masturbation can be a fulfilling part of sexuality. There is no 'normal' when it comes to sex. Transparency in relationships leads to happiness. bating can be a passion rather than an addiction. Personal preferences in sexual activities vary widely. Being open about one's sexual identity fosters connection. Poppers are enjoyable but not necessary for bating. Self-pleasure is a personal journey that can be done anywhere. Outdoor bating offers a thrilling sense of exposure. bating on cam provides a different excitement than in person. Establishing clear rules is essential for group bating. Group bating is preferred over one-on-one sessions. Creating a platform for bating requires addressing many challenges. User feedback is crucial for improving the Batemates app. Age verification is a legal necessity for adult platforms. Upcoming updates will enhance user experience and app functionality.