This episode is such a wonderful note to end on before I am heading into a little break - it was a true joy to talk to Justine & Larisa who wrote the wonderful book called The Grieving Therapist. I hope listening will feel as comforting as it did for me. Here is some of what we talked about:  Diving deep into collaborative creative projects Processing pandemic grief and making meaning from what happened Exploring what change might come from loss Justine Mastin, LMFT, LADC is a psychotherapist, author, and so much more. Justine runs Blue Box Counseling, a private practice in Minneapolis, MN and is an AAMFT-Approved Supervisor. She literally wrote the book on Therapeutic Fanfiction—Starship Therapise: Using Therapeutic Fanfiction to Rewrite Your Life—and she offered support to healers in The Grieving Therapist: Caring for Yourself and Your Clients When it Feels Like the End of the World. Justine also co-hosts both the Starship Therapise and Dark Side of the Mat podcasts and has presented a TEDx talk. TedTalk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmtZU0_xmKY&t=1s Larisa Garski is the chief of clinical staff for Empowered Therapy in Chicago IL. Larisa is the co-author of The Grieving Therapist: Caring for Yourself and Your Clients When it Feels Like the End of the World, and Starship Therapise: Using Therapeutic Fanfiction to Rewrite Your Life. Larisa has also contributed to numerous other books on pop culture and psychology, co-hosts the Starship Therapise podcast, and is an AAMFT-approved supervisor. The Grieving Therapist book: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/724011/the-grieving-therapist-by-larisa-a-garski-lmft/ Starship Therapise podcast: https://www.starshiptherapise.com/podcast/ Thank you for listening!