In episode 41, Brigid Calhoun interviews Sergeant Major of the Army (SMA) Michael A. Grinston. SMA Grinston was sworn in as the 16th Sergeant Major of the Army on August 9th, 2019. He has held every enlisted leadership position in artillery, ranging from cannon crewmember to command sergeant major. He is a native of Jasper, Alabama and enlisted in the Army in 1987. They discuss the enlisted side of the Army Talent Management Program, why Soldiers should be life-long learners with "growth mindsets," and how the Army adapted its recruiting strategy during the COVID-19 pandemic.