This episode of the Female Athlete Nutrition podcast is with two great friends and physical therapists, Dr. Bobbie and Dr. Jess. They also co-host the Two Gals and a Glass Half Full Apple Podcast. Dr. Bobbie is a former competitive gymnast who now works with gymnasts, amongst other sport athletes, as a physical therapist at Level Up Osteopractic and Wellness in Naperville, IL. While Dr. Jess is the owner and founder of Core Essentials Physical Therapy & Wellness in Jacksonville Beach, FL, and specializes in breast cancer recovery and complex musculoskeletal disorders. They both believe in a holistic approach to mental and physical health and wellbeing. We speak to the complexity and nuance of pain science and management, as well as the role of psychology here. As two doctors of physical therapy, Dr. Bobbie and Dr. Jess explain the education pathway to becoming a physical therapist, alongside other healthcare professions like dietitians. We discuss some of the challenges and shortcomings of the current healthcare model, and the role of speciality providers in the diagnosis and management of specific problems.  Dr. Jess highlights the importance of physical therapy during and following treatment for breast cancer. She helps women regain strength and mobility in their upper body, as well as reducing and managing swelling through lymphedema therapy. While Dr. Bobbie works with athletes recovering from injuries, keeping them in their sport at the highest level possible. She explains what manual therapy actually is, when and why it might be useful,  Believe it or not, physical therapy can be an effective approach to treating migraines and headaches, and Dr. Bobbie explains why and how. We end with both Dr. Bobbie and Dr. Jess answering the end of the podcast questions. TOPIC TIMESTAMPS: 6:15 The importance of a holistic approach to health and well-being  8:50 Pain science and psychology  13:40 Dr. Bobbie and Dr. Jess’ friendship through grad school and beyond 16:00 Pathway to becoming a physical therapist; healthcare professions and certifications 18:20 Challenges with the current healthcare system; the role of physical therapists 25:00 PT and breast cancer 36:00 Lymphedema therapy to reduce swelling 44:10 Understanding manual therapy, joint and spinal manipulation, and other PT approaches 52:55 Treating headaches with physical therapy 55:20 Tips for athletes seeing physical therapists 59:50 End of the podcast questions Check out Dr. Bobbie and Dr. Jess here: Website: www.2-gals.com Apple Podcasts: Two Gals and a Glass Half Full Apple Podcasts Spotify: Two Gals and a Glass Half Full Spotify Podcast YouTube: Two Gals and a Glass Half Full YouTube Podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/twogalsandaglasshalffull Instagram: @twogalsandaglasshalffull  Follow your host, Lindsey Cortes, on Instagram @female.athlete.nutrition  Natural Cycles: Check out Natural Cycles here and 20% off subscription plus free thermometer! Our NEW Website is NOW LIVE! Check it out here: https://www.femaleathletenutritionpodcast.com/  Support the podcast with a financial contribution: https://www.patreon.com/femaleathletenutrition   THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Practice Better Click the link below to view plans and get a 14-day free trial. Then use the code RISEUP20 for 20% off your first 4 months: https://practicebetter.grsm.io/runp  Previnex: https://www.previnex.com/ use code RISEUP for 15% off at checkout InsideTracker: www.insidetracker.com use code LINDSEYCPRO25 for 25% off the entire store  THIS PODCAST IS ALSO SUPPORTED BY: Orgain, head to www.orgain.com and use the code RISEUP30 for 30% off your first order. Repeat customers can use the code OA2203 for 25% off future orders. Practice Better Click the link below to view plans and get a 14-day free trial. Then use the code RISEUP20 for 20% off your first 4 months: https://practicebetter.grsm.io/runp  Jen & Keri: https://jenandkeri.com/ use code RISEUP10