Phoebe delves into her role in the Victorian government, focusing on growth and sustainability, and her involvement in advocating for a circular economy. She emphasizes the importance of stakeholder engagement, the challenges and rewards of bringing about change, and the need for younger voices and diverse perspectives on boards. We discuss the government's focus on sustainable practices, engagement with business leaders, and preparing for ESG requirements and 2050 goals.  Our conversation emphasizes the need for a systemic approach involving all sectors, leveraging data, balancing regulation and policy, and engaging with consumers. **Future Fit Leadership acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land on which we record this podcast and we pay our respect to elders - past, present and emerging. We extend that respect to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.