Guest: Bill Magnuson, CEO and co-founder of Braze The deployment of smartphones around the world was more impactful than any other technology to date, says Braze CEO Bill Magnuson — and that has big implications for emerging fields like generative AI. “If we get to the point where they [LLMs] really can be useful, human-like companions ... they will be usable by everyone that has smartphone technology.” In other words, the question is not business opportunity or scale: It’s capability. In this episode, Bill and Joubin discuss earnings days, Aaron Levie, MIT, customer churn, shower thoughts, technical co-founders, lacking context, AGI, “hands on keyboard,” the T-Mobile G1, app marketing, the 2008 financial crisis, Bob Iger, World War II, Peter Reinhardt, Watershed, and international offices. Chapters: (00:51) - Morning people (05:09) - What Braze does (06:59) - From CTO to CEO (08:17) - Waking up and commuting (10:49) - Leading vs. engineering (12:35) - Cognizant of believability (19:52) - LLMs and the human brain (25:46) - The AI ceiling (28:43) - The historic deployment of smartphones (37:58) - The benefits of youth (40:18) - Taking the leap (43:35) - Read more sci-fi (46:38) - Survivor bias (48:55) - Big risks at scale (52:30) - Who Braze is hiring around the world (55:32) - What “grit” means to Bill Links: Connect with Bill TwitterLinkedInConnect with Joubin TwitterLinkedInEmail: [email protected] Learn more about Kleiner Perkins This episode was edited by Eric Johnson from LightningPod.fm