How many of you have been startled to find out you're a perfectionist? Raises my own hand. Even today's guest psychotherapist, and author of The Perfectionist's Guide to Losing Control: A Path to Peace and Power Katherine Morgan Schafler was when she discovered she had perfectionistic tendencies. Katherine joins me today to talk perfectionism! I have been talking about Katherine for multiple episodes so now you finally get to meet her and hear why I have been hyping her so hard. She explains the 5 different kinds of perfectionist personalities, why trying eradicate parts of yourself isn't the move and how joy and pleasure is the antidote to what ails a lot of us. I love her thoughts on how we often misunderstand presence and the myth of a balanced life wellness sells to women. She is so kind and smart I could talk to her for days and hope everyone benefits from her wise words whether on the pod or in her book. Where to find us: Get Katherine's bookTake the quiz find out what kind of perfectionist you areFollow Katherine on InstagramKatherine's Website Subscribe to the How to be Human Substack Leave a message on SpeakpipeHow to Be Human InstagramAnna's InstagramBook a session with Anna