If you’re curious to know how Drs. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson and Jane Goodall first fell in love with the natural world, both on land and underwater, this week’s episode is for you. Dr. Jane Goodall, a primatologist and conservationist best known for her long-term study of chimpanzees in the forests of Tanzania, currently hosts a podcast called The Jane Goodall Hopecast. One of her recent guests was our very own Ayana Elizabeth Johnson. They discuss their career paths, the role of individuals in the climate movement and then dive deep into Ayana’s tenuous relationship with the word hope. Guests: Drs. Jane Goodal and Ayana Elizabeth Johnson  Call to Action: Check out Dr. Jane Goodall’s environmental organization Roots and Shoots, which aims to empower young people to affect positive change in their communities with chapters all over the world. Check out our Calls to Action archive for all of the actions we've recommended on the show. Send us your ideas or feedback with our Listener Mail Form. Sign up for our newsletter here. And follow us on Twitter and Instagram. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices